Any experiences of Clive Jones?

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Postby fungus » Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:46 pm


Glad to hear you enjoyed your half day with Clive Jones. This is something I will have to get around to one day. Your comment about only observing mid ground is something that is common to most drivers. In fact some don't even look that far ahead.

jameslb101 wrote:Somewhere along the line I'd been taught not to change into first gear while moving so am now working to iron out this trait too.


I would hazard a guess that you were probably taught that by an ADI. Why some ADIs teach that you must stop before engaging 1st beats me. I had a pupil who had been taught to stop before engaging 1st by a previous instructor. This came to light approaching traffic lights on her first lesson with me. A few feet from the line and the lights change from red to red/amber. We were too slow for second but could continue as the lights would be green by the time we got to the line. With a closely following vehicle, braking to a full halt would be dangerous.
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Postby jameslb101 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:06 pm


fungus wrote:Your comment about only observing mid ground is something that is common to most drivers. In fact some don't even look that far ahead.

My observation has improved quite a bit since doing the IAM course, but I find I still see things (or at least react to them) far far earlier than the majority of drivers on the road. For example, say I'm on a dual carriageway, in lane one, coming to a set of traffic lights on red. I'll start braking only for someone to come past me in lane two then brake a few seconds later (but much 'harder', obviously).

fungus wrote:I would hazard a guess that you were probably taught that by an ADI. Why some ADIs teach that you must stop before engaging 1st beats me.

I was taught by an ADI, but I think it's more something I've got from my dad, as back in the black and white days he had cars with no synchromesh on first (e.g. a Morris Minor). My first car was a classic mini and that didn't like going it first when moving either, so to me now it always feels mechanically unsympathetic, in the same way that for a lot of people using all the revs can. Still, at least now I know I'm misguided, and it's just a habit I'll have to break.
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Postby jont » Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:30 pm


jameslb101 wrote:
fungus wrote:Your comment about only observing mid ground is something that is common to most drivers. In fact some don't even look that far ahead.

My observation has improved quite a bit since doing the IAM course, but I find I still see things (or at least react to them) far far earlier than the majority of drivers on the road. For example, say I'm on a dual carriageway, in lane one, coming to a set of traffic lights on red. I'll start braking only for someone to come past me in lane two then brake a few seconds later (but much 'harder', obviously).

Long range vision is something the Welsh roads are fantastic for. When you can get a distance view of maybe a mile+ and similar cross views it's very revealing whether you are making the most of it.

Round here the opportunities to do so are rather more limited.
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Postby martine » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:18 pm


jont wrote:Long range vision is something the Welsh roads are fantastic for. When you can get a distance view of maybe a mile+ and similar cross views it's very revealing whether you are making the most of it.

Round here the opportunities to do so are rather more limited.

Nice plug for the Brecon day next Saturday! Looking forward to the breakfast...ahem...driving!
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Postby Mr Cholmondeley-Warner » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:54 pm


Don't worry about the road signs etc. Clive has an extra pair of eyes for those - in addition to the third pair he uses for observing half a mile further ahead than you (the driver) are.

I'm glad you enjoyed the day, and also that you agree with the panel's recommendations of Clive.

Now you have to work, and then when you're ready, the full Clive-y-ness will be unleashed when you decide to go for a full day, or more. This was the taster :twisted:

You will find you have improved more than you know right now. The advice will keep coming back, at the right moment.

Good luck, keep practising, and never stop learning.
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