WHY does a fleet trainer have to be an ADI ?

ROG · Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 1148 Location: LEICESTER

This was an interesting comment and it got me thinking.........

daz6215 · Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 197 Location: Newcastle

mininum level of measured coaching/ teaching competence. Or any Tom Dick or Harrry would be telling your loved one's how to kill themselve's.
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jbsportstech · Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 344 Location: Somerset

It may seem bonkers because the average adi's driving is only to dsa standard if that. Its not just the driving qualification they have proved they have a ability to teach and have sound knowledge of the highway code, but they are also crb checked and proved to have no record of sexual offences, fraud etc so it does make sense to me having an adi qualification.

Personally I think people who have other advanced driving qualifications such as rospa diploma should be able to get a licence much like a doorman so they they are aloud to teach full licence holders upwards.
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ScoobyChris · Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 1258 Location: Andover, Hants

StressedDave · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 641 Location: Cambridgeshire

If I was being flippant, the answer would be because the law says so Rolling Eyes

Sure being an ADI means you have a proven teaching ability according to the competencies set out by the DSA and (now) you have proven not to have an unsuitable criminal convictions (although interestingly I'm not sure fraud is a bar to being an ADI - insert suitable joke here for your own amusement). But at then end of the day, ti comes down to the fact that the law says so - if you don't like the law then campaign for changes.

As for the comments on driving ability, does it really matter if the person providing instruction can't do what you do, purely from a learning point of view? Unless you subscribe to the monkey-see, monkey-do method of teaching, then you aren't necessarily going to learn much from a demonstration. If you've ever delved deeply into the DSA definition of driving, it's not that far away from what IAM/RoADAR members do up and down the country, merely that the level of competency required in delivery is potentially at a lower level because you can't expect IAM levels of perfection from a 17yr old with a hundred hours or so of practice.

Perhaps the question should be, how are you without an ADI going to prove that you are a fit and suitable person to provide fleet instruction to the public? Mere possession of a test pass is enough to enable you to become an observer - err, did anyone else see the conversation on here over the weekend with our slightly inflexible friend?

Perhaps a proper teaching certificate, combined with suitable documentary evidence of being occupationally competent in the subject you are proposing to teach? (For those interested that's a rough approximation of the assessor process for NVQs in the UK) If you think the latter, then the ADI sounds like a reasonable approximation to me, and those complaining are those who either feel the process is beneath them or have medical reasons why they can't get an ADI.

daz6215 · Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 197 Location: Newcastle

or are incapable of passing it or unwilling to do it because they feel they perhaps have nothing else to learn themselve's?
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jbsportstech · Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 344 Location: Somerset

Essentially I think it was created by the goverment to protect people from teachers who where not up to standard as we know most licence holders driving is far from good. Its goverment approval after alot of hoops that show you have some ability and your not a dangerous convicted criminal. It does stop any 'tom 'dick and 'harry' teaching driving instruction

I am sure at the time the fact that there are people with sound knowledge in advanced driving circles didn't come in the equation.

Do the IAM CRB check as rospa haven't asked to crb me?
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daz6215 · Joined: 19 Dec 2007 Posts: 197 Location: Newcastle

Why do i need a pcv licence to drive a bus when i have c+e ? i know i can drive the bus, but in order to do so legally i need to follow the correct channels and obtain the correct qualification. I'm sure looking around at many jobs you may think i could do that! If you are really passionate and have the drive 'pardon the pun' then i'm sure nothing would get in your way.
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zadocbrown · Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 147

I think what it boils down to is this: the number of people in the situation of having to qualify as ADIs, despite having no intention of teaching learners is relatively small. Too small, in the authorities' view, to make it worthwhile creating a seperate channel.

Many of the basic skills for part 3 come in useful teaching at higher levels. It's not entirely irrelevant.

I think there is also the view (which I share) that up to date knowledge of what and how learners are being taught is desirable for the well rounded driving coach.

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Advanced Roadcraft · Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 134 Location: Tring, Herts

There is NO driver training/instruction ("L" drivers, advanced, fleet,, off road, go-karts, race etc) that I know of that cannot legally be performed by a non-ADI.

But only ADIs, it appears, can charge for it. Don't think that there's been a test case but it would be interesting!

So the reason for the ADI requirement is obviously merely special pleading to ensure that their incomes are protected. Nothing to do with maintaining standards at all.

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