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ASW
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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Local RoSPA vs RoSPA Advanced Drivers and Riders |
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To join my 'Local group' it costs £45. To take a test with ROADAR it costs £48.
Is it the same 'qualification' ie 'RoSPA Gold'?
I'm a bit confused  .
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MikeG
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: Local RoSPA vs RoSPA Advanced Drivers and Riders |
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| ASW wrote: | To join my 'Local group' it costs £45. To take a test with ROADAR it costs £48.
Is it the same 'qualification' ie 'RoSPA Gold'?
I'm a bit confused .
Thanks,
Alan. |
Hi Alan,
Not sure about the group fees, but you're right about the test fee.
Depending on your drive on the day you could pass at Bronze, Silver or Gold.
Someone will probably be along shortly with more info on the group costs.
Mike
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ScoobyChris
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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When I joined my local group as an associate (2 years ago) it was about half that so I'd be interested to know what your group are including for the extra money.
Exam fee sounds about right. I'm pretty sure RoSPA refers to the organisation and the ROADA (and now ROADAR) exam is what is marked bronze, silver or gold. In case you didn't know ROADAR stands Rospa Advanced Drivers and Riders. 
More info at http://www.roadar.org/
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Mr Cholmondeley-Warner
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Some groups include a number of items in the membership like a copy of Roadcraft, etc. Ask your local secretary what you're getting for the money.
Ours is £17 which includes a locally-written "Associate's Manual" with hints and tips on areas to concentrate on as well as a page written by our local examiner.
You can study on your own, and pass the test with no help from the local group, but it would be quite a bit harder than with their tuition. The tutors are all volunteers, they're not allowed to charge money for tuition, so the money must either be being used to buy you stuff, or going into group funds to fund outings, meeting speakers, recruitment expenses, etc.
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ASW
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you guys for your replies.
My need is for 'RoSPA Gold' for work & really what I am wondering is:
If the membership of the Local group (which I believe includes the test) is cheaper than the test itself, is this going to be the same test with the same potential outcome ie. RoSPA Gold?
http://www.rospawmg.org.uk/frame.html
By the looks of the page above if I join the local group I am simply a member of that specific group & not the 'over-all body', likewise I could be a member of the 'over-all body' but not the local group... but the test for the local group is carried out by the 'over-all body' with no extra charge. Does this sound correct?
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Alan. |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Alan,
It's a bit of a "catch 22" situation. If you are after a Gold pass you need to join your local group or find someone who can coach you up to the required standard. The local group will assign a tutor or alternatively if you are confident enough you can apply for a test direct to RoADAR.
After the test whatever grade you are awarded ie Bronze, Silver or Gold you will be a member of the 'overall body' irrespective of wether you joined your local group.
Local groups only exist to coach candidates up to the required standard.
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martine
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a ROSPA person but just to answer what I believe is your question: there is only one ROSPA/ROADAR test - the local group won't be running their own tests - once you are at the required standard they will get a ROSPA examiner to test you.
Out of interest, why do you need a ROSPA Gold for your work?
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| ASW wrote: | If the membership of the Local group (which I believe includes the test) is cheaper than the test itself, is this going to be the same test with the same potential outcome ie. RoSPA Gold?
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Hi Alan,
Joining your local group will not give you any RoSPA qualification. If you want RoSPA gold you will need to take the test for which the fee is £48.
By joining your local group they will provide (at no extra cost) all of the training that you need in order to pass the test, however they will not undertake a test themselves. After you pass the test you can, if you wish, join the group as a full member.
Where your confusion may be arising is that some groups will submit your test form to HQ on your behalf. In that case you can pay the test fee to the local group and they will forward it on to HQ.
HQ offer a small discount on the test fee for groups which do this, the idea is that it gives the group some additional revenue, however it may be that your local group has chosen to pass the discount on to you hence why the fee may be just £45.
However you pay for your test, you will undertake the same test and recieve the same qualification. |
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ASW
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Thanks again all.
I think that clears it up.
| Quote: | | Out of interest, why do you need a ROSPA Gold for your work? |
I am a 'Fleet trainer' ie. a driving instructor with a further 'Fleet' qualification to train company car / van drivers & this is an extra 'few letters after my name' for experience / advertising / working with other companies etc.
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| ASW wrote: | Thanks again all.
I think that clears it up.
| Quote: | | Out of interest, why do you need a ROSPA Gold for your work? |
I am a 'Fleet trainer' ie. a driving instructor with a further 'Fleet' qualification to train company car / van drivers & this is an extra 'few letters after my name' for experience / advertising / working with other companies etc.
Thanks again,
Alan. |
I assume you are already an ADI and are aspiring to perhaps go for a ROSPA diploma in the future 
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I assume you are already an ADI and are aspiring to perhaps go for a ROSPA diploma in the future |
Hi ROG,
The RoSPA Fleet Diploma is just one of the ways (albeit a famous one) onto the DSA Fleet Register, I have another Diploma with an accredited private company.
Although part of the diploma was 'seeking a Gold standard drive' (needing the skills to teach the skills & we could easily come across an 'advanced' driver & would hopefully be able to impart something) it is often beneficial to have the RoSPA 'title' for the Employers and Clients.
At the same time, if I were to do any work for RoSPA in the future, having done thier Diploma would put me in a very good position. I would be slightly interested in doing it but it is very expensive for something very similar to what I've already done.
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Alan
When I did my Dip course last month there was an ADI there who just came in on the Friday to do the exams. He was in the same situation as you, eg teaching fleet clients. My understanding was he knew someone at RoSPA and said he wasn't going to pay to do the course as he was doing the job already!
Well when you get your gold it may be worth asking them at HQ if you can do that...?
Who did you do you Dip course with?
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Mr Cholmondeley-Warner
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ASW wrote: |
http://www.rospawmg.org.uk/frame.html
By the looks of the page above if I join the local group I am simply a member of that specific group & not the 'over-all body', likewise I could be a member of the 'over-all body' but not the local group... but the test for the local group is carried out by the 'over-all body' with no extra charge. Does this sound correct?
Thanks again,
Alan. |
| West Midlands group wrote: | | The membership subscription on joining is £45.00, which includes the annual membership subscription and a copy of the Police Drivers Handbook "Roadcraft". |
That clearly shows what I suspected. They're charging you for membership plus a copy of Roadcraft. The test fee is NOT included in their cost of membership. They're a fairly big group, which I guess explains their somewhat high membership fees. There are cheaper groups about  I see they are a combined RoSPA/IAM group - maybe that's got something to do with it as well.
The test will be £48. If you pay RoSPA direct, they get it all. If you pay the local group, they get £3 commission for organising it and as a small contribution back from head office for the work they put into tutoring you.
If you choose to remain a member of the local group, you will pay two subs. The sub to the local group will keep you as a member there, the sub to RoSPA themselves (currently £20pa) will pay for your tri-annual retests.
Nick (North Wilts group Treasurer) |
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Alan,
I suggest you get in contact with John Cave of the Oxford group. He is based near Banbury which isn't too much further for you than Brum and 2 years ago he was only charging a tenner to join. (In fact I had a couple of observed runs with him without paying anything).
He has a RoSPA diploma and also teaches AD commercially.
I joined RoSPA's West Midland Group two years ago but left as they wanted me to wait 3 months for an Observer.... |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ASW wrote: | Thanks again all.
I think that clears it up.
| Quote: | | Out of interest, why do you need a ROSPA Gold for your work? |
I am a 'Fleet trainer' ie. a driving instructor with a further 'Fleet' qualification to train company car / van drivers & this is an extra 'few letters after my name' for experience / advertising / working with other companies etc.
Thanks again,
Alan. |
This is quite interesting because I know that some RoSPA groups are up in arms on this very subject.
Alan you are saying that you have to have the RoSPA gold qualification for work, i.e. so that you can charge others for your instruction, but you are looking for free instruction from people who can not legally charge money to gain that qualification. Have you considered actually paying an ADI for instruction to Gold standard? After all, that's what you are hoping others will do paying you isn't it?
Some groups are short of unpaid observers and if you did paid an ADI, those observers could give their time to people who are not aiming to then cash in using that qualification.
By the way, can you tell us what 'fleet' qualification you took? It's interesting that you then also require a Gold on top of that qualification.
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